(Inc. Nostradamus Quatrains V 7, III 65, VI 66, X 89, I 27, X 81, VIII 30, VIII 29, IX 84 and VI 19)
Under the rule of the Emperors, Rome was a city of marble. Every public building, and every private mansion of any pretension to luxury or elegance, glistened with marble, inside and without. Columns and surface walls and statues shone everywhere like polished mirrors … … there does not exist a single slab, or column, or tiniest fragment of ancient marble in any church or gallery or workshop in Rome, which was not brought there expressly at fabulous expense, and at the cost of infinite labour, by the very same old Romans who built the Palaces of the Caesars, and the Baths of Caracalla, and the Colosseum.
Rev. H.W. Pullen “Handbook Of Ancient Roman Marbles” (London John Murray 1894)
I mentioned in the Article ‘TRACKING AND TRACING’ MULTIPLE REFERENCES IN NOSTRADAMUS that with some insight we might just solve the multiple references in Nostradamus to MARBLE TOMBS AND TREASURE and that the Quatrain V 7 could provide a key. Let’s see:
MARBLE TOMB ENIGMATIC TREASURE
Nostradamus Quatrain V 7
1557 Lyon Du Rosne
Du triumuir seront trouuez les oz,
Cherchant profond tresor aenigmatique,
Ceulx d’alentour ne seront repoz,
De concauer marbre & plomb metalique.
The bones of the triumvir will be found,
Whilst looking for the profound enigmatic treasure,
Those in the environs will not relax/be free of troubles/rest in peace,
Made of concave marble and lead metal.
Digging a hole (it is found to be) marbled and leaden.
Lead lining of coffins and tombs is a centuries-old practice. But so was the placing of coffins and preserved artifacts, even a preserved body or two, behind metal grilled windows in underground display tombs.
Julius Caesar played the popular politician in a loose triumvir/tresvir in order to first become Emperor and then Marc Anthony repeated this method, forming a political college of three known as the triumviratus. If you’re a Christian, the Holy Trinity is too mysterious and indivisible to be called a ‘triumvir’ council, although actually it was the Apostles who seeded this new church religion and not Jesus of Nazareth.
Saul/Paul was definitely interred at Rome having been spared crucifixion as he was a Roman citizen. Until relatively recently decapitation was considered the most humane and honourable form of capital punishment (and the guillotine a sensitive refinement). Tre Fontane marks the spot where Paul’s severed head bounced and three permanent fountains sprang up.
Gaius the famed Roman Jurisconsult (d.180AD) felt that Simon-Peter was buried in a cemetery/catacombs along the Appian Way but there were two other monumental sites around Rome claimed as strongly by other writers. Emperor Constantine commissioned the very large ‘Old St. Peter’s Basilica’ in the Fourth Century to be built over a small city shrine he believed to be the burial site of Peter. The Basilica fell into disrepair and was rebuilt, a task that spanned all the Sixteenth Century and half the Seventeenth. (A succession of 21 popes raising the cash by selling indulgences). It features the astonishingly lively marble sculptures of Bernini.
On December 23rd 1950, Pope Pius XII declared that St. Peter’s tomb had been found several feet below the altar of St. Peter’s Basilica at the Vatican in Rome, after years of excavation, but this claim was not vaunted further until eighteen years later when Pope Paul VI (d. August 6th 1978) announced on June 27th 1978 that the bones of Peter had been identified by the Vatican’s in-house archeologists.
III 65 THE TOMB OF THE GREAT ROMAN
1555 Lyon Bonhomme
Quand le sepulcre du grand Romain trouué,
Le iour apres sera esleu pontife,
Du senat gueres il ne sera prouué
Empoisonné son sang au sacré scyphe.
When the sepulchre of the great Roman is found,
The further day the Pontiff will be elected,
Scarcely will he be approved by the Senate
Poisoned his blood on the sacred chalice.
Line 2, OF ‘apres’ without any accent can equate to ‘plus loin’, further. Line 4, OF ‘scyphe’ has meanings apart from chalice, for example a Cardinal’s Crucifix. The good Pope John Paul I died under suspicious circumstances on the night of September 28th 1978, a month after his election. Which brings us to Nostredame’s Quatrain 666:
VI 66 THE TOMB OF THE GREAT ROMAN IN MARBLE
1557 Lyon Du Rosne
Au fondement de la nouuelle secte,
Seront les oz du grand Romain trouués:
Sepulcre en marbre apparoistra couuerte,
Terre trembler en Auril, mal ensouertz.
At the foundation of the new sect,
Will the bones of the great Roman be found,
Covered marble sepulchre shown,
Earth quakes/ground shakes in April, negatively underlining the matter OR with a bad result ensuing.
Line 1 is either a new sect, not necessarily of a religious nature, or a Church revision that Nostredame references as if an apostasy.
Line 3, OF ‘apparaître’ is something supernatural or unusual coming into view or something ‘shown’ as in proven, demonstrated.
Line 4, OF ‘ensouertz/ensovertz’ is not clear to me. Most Nostradamus researchers say ‘buried’ which in OF was ‘enseveli’. The Latin ‘ens overt’ means “is over”, which as a variation on Q.E.D. would mean ‘the matter in hand is proven’ (Quit Everything’s Demonstrated! Quite Enough Done! etc.). In context this is an earth tremor given a supernatural spin. Today we might call this conclusion superstitious but religion has its instances of bones having greater or lesser spiritual significance, from rib to sacrum, while some dream analysts say that bones suggest ‘family or cultural secrets’, the proverbial ‘skeleton in the cupboard’. Either the revealing of the Petre tomb is being put forward as bad news for all good people (yet Peter’s Rome visit is unsupported historically and Martin Luther noticed there were twice as many European burial sites of Apostles as there were Apostles) or else this earthquake is a time-marker.
The early history of Jesus worship/Christian doctrinal belief is not linear. It started in jagged stages that overlap, some involving religio-political manouevres. Emperor General Constantine was Pontiff of Mithras who wore his god’s mitre and rings before donating them to the first RC Pope. He only converted personally to Christianity on his deathbed despite having made his mother a Christian Saint in her lifetime. He negotiated a take over of Christianity and made it the official religion of the Western Empire, sometimes enforcing its acceptance by troop displacements. Soon he introduced major changes such as from strict pacifism to overt militarism, with a dishonourable death-penalty for any Christian Roman soldier refusing to fight, or from local meetings held in normally-lit simple rooms to blazing temples overflowing with flowers and incense. Roman Catholicism was itself a little like the birth of a ‘nouuelle secte’. Otherwise the implication could be that some time in the Twentieth Century the papacy has reinvented itself again or some separate sect was founded either deserving of a malific natural response or with an incidental accompanying bad event.
(The seat of the Catholic Croation Bishop of Kotor was damaged in a very bad earthquake that devastated the coast of Montenegro in April 1979 also wrecking the towns of Ulcinj and Budua, now rebuilt in the original Venetian style.)
This Nostradamus Quatrain VI 66 states that the ground will shake in April. Contemporaneously, at the site of the foundation of a new sect a sepulchre clad with marble will be exposed or otherwise demonstrated to have been there. If this is Rome then the story calls to mind the legend of Tolis whose decapitated head became unearthed when the very foundations of the Capitol were being dug. This has been said to be the origin of the prefix-name Capi-Tolis , but I’m not at all sure about this and anyway Tolis is a Greek name, the Roman equivalent perhaps being Tullus.
Today ‘the Capitol’ evokes both Rome and the powerful Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C. which, it has been claimed, was built over a former great estate called ‘Rome’ that had its own little ‘River Tiber’. The USA abroad is now coming to resemble the early stages of the Roman Empire reconstituted (aside from a flawed financial mindset that is presently more like Carthage). We should remember that by law the Empire was managed independently of the Roman polity’s wishes and yet when Rome the City lost its special nature, as personified by its citizens, the Empire cracked and crumbled.
MARBLE CLAD BRICKS AND A CHANNEL REOPENED
1568 Lyon Benoist Rigaud
De brique en marbre seront les murs reduits,
Sept et Cinquante années pacificque,
Ioie aux humains, renoué Laqueduict,
Santé, grandz fruict ioye & temps melifique.
The walls of brick will be clad in marble,
Fifty seven years peacefulness,
Joy to humanity, renewing the aquaduct,
Health, great fruitfulness joy and a wonderful age.
Line 1, OF ‘reduire’ is to closet, house or hide but has the notional meaning of bringing back to a previous state or to a lower, even submissive, state or to its natural surroundings. If used transitively it would naturally mean to return something to a lower condition or bring one thing to another.
Line 3, OF ‘aqueduict’ might be OF ‘aconduire’ = to lead, bring, carry or conduct someone. If a misrepresentation in print of OF ‘acquérir’ with OF ‘duict’ it would mean something like ‘productivity obtained’ which sounds agrarian or industrial. And astrologically OF ‘renoué Laqueduict’ would be Aquarius restored. But Europe has many actual Roman aquaducts and this could be the renovation of one or simply a metonym for its content, one of the primary means of existence and good health.
Line 4, OF ‘melifique’ = OF ‘mirlifique’ = wonderful
This may not refer to tombs or treasure but to a window in time when ‘peasant’ existence, hand-to-mouth, eschewing all luxuries, is allowed to aspire to greater things, better quality foods, healthier surroundings, and much of the world feels happier in general outlook. A time of increase when an aquaduct such as that along the Appian Way may be preserved or reopened (analogous to a return to better times) and ordinary brick becomes marble clad (analogous to a leap forward in general economic growth).
From 1945 until the US-led invasion of Afganistan in 2002 was a time of increasing prosperity in the West, perhaps a Golden Era for the person of ordinary circumstances whereby even the relatively modest earner could run a car, holiday abroad or stock a freezer – signs of wealth in the East. Following WWII many countries freely contributed some soldiery to American foreign policy exercises, partly out of gratitude, but the ongoing chain of chaos-creating US Middle Eastern adventures plus the supposed War on Terror have depressed the early decades of the New Millennium Allies. It feels like some associated playing fields such as financial and social security or freedom of speech and ease of passage were also dug up and are currently under redevelopment making some who once prospered a long time feel that they are now losing it all.
1555 Lyon Bonhomme
Dessoubz de chaine Guien du ciel frappe,
Non loing de la est caché le tresor,
Qui par longs siecles auoit este grappé,
Trouue moura: l’oeil creué de ressort.
Line 1, OF ‘chaine’ is a chain of struck links or else masonry stones in a row or, figuratively, a social tie that binds someone. It can also have a similar sense to ‘a range of’. (See Nostradamus Quatrain 1 65 which also contains a lightning strike) OF ‘chais’, however, is an underground store or a person who lives in a cave, which would bring us closer to hidden treasure. OF ‘ciel’ was the vault of the heavens or supernatural beings orProvidence or sky/atmosphere or the royal bed canopy. The old astrological meaning was that of invisible spheres concentric around the Earth as delineated by the rotations of the heavenly bodies.
Line 3, OF ‘grappé’ means in racemes like flowers of grapes.
Line 4, OF ‘ressort’ has several meanings, not only output, outcome, shelter or spring mechanism but also a recourse to justice or the territory housing an activity. Here it refers to the eyesocket.
The pre-revolutionary Duchy of Guyenne was large and covered Bourdeaux, Limosin, Périgord and Angoumois. Its Occitan name was Guiana whilst Guien seems more Spanish (and Catalan’s ‘quien’ or guide is pronounced much like the French ‘guien’). Nostradamus Quatrain IX 33 has in Line 2, ‘De Gaule trois Guion surnommé’.
Oak tree in modern Fr. is ‘chêne’ from OF ‘chaisne’ which has the general meaning of ‘forest hardwoods’. Downstriking lightning travels the shortest distance it can to join to the tallest conductive material it finds, hence the effectiveness of the lightning rod. A common form of lightning strike is against an isolated tree under which someone sheltering sadly becomes collateral damage.
If OF ‘ciel’ should mean the hand of providence and Guien is a range of tree-covered hills somewhere then Lines 1 and 4 are about a death discovered and Lines 2 and 3 are about treasure lurking unsuspected nearby.
Below the Guien hills struck by the hand of providence,
Not far from there is the treasure hidden,
That which for many centuries has been clustered,
Will be found dead: the eye popped from out its socket.
1568 Lyon Benoist Rigaud
Mys tresor temple citadins Hesperiques
Dans iceluy retiré en secret lieu,
Le temple ouurit les liens fameliques.
Reptens rauys proye horrible au milieu.
Line 1 OF ‘mys’ is ‘mettre’ to place, propose, present, put, set in front, put into a state or condition, engage, place above somebody, but can also suggest ‘no sooner said than done’. Or staying covered. Or leading to the desired end.
Line 3, OF ‘ouvrit’ is from ‘ouvrir’ to close up something in a way that communication in and out is possible or else to initiate something. It could mean to lower one’s guard, keep open. But it can also mean to cover, perhaps protectively. An ‘ouvrière’ was a manual worker. OF ‘famélique’ is starving-like, famished. OF ‘liens/liains’ meant a flexible tie of a certain length to join things together. It can also represent the means of escape. OF ‘léans’ probably sounded similar and means ‘in there’ or ‘in this place’. Line 4, OF ‘reptans’ is crawling like a reptile. OF ‘rauys’ is from ‘ravir’ as in threatening a fast attack. OF ‘proie’ is the living prey for an animal to devour.
A treasure placed straightways into a town’s temple by Spanish/West Africans/Natives of the Far West,
Withdrawn to a secret place therein:
Chained starvelings employed to work in the temple,
In the centre crawls a dangerous creature with its horrid prey.
The name Hesperides originally meant the nymphs who tended a garden of bliss (spiritual, religious then poetic) in the North-Western corner of the World, which to the ancient Greeks meant North Africa’s Atlas Mountains. But other sweet dreamers placed it on the Iberian Peninsula, particularly the legendary and sinfully wealthy Tartessos the letters of which are to be found jumbled in Line 1 of Nostradamus Quatrain X 81. (‘Tarshish’, the only European placename mentioned in the Old Testament.) This surely does not fit to the gruesome goings-on at the centre of this temple of hidden treasure and we should stay open to the commonplace notion that Rigaud invented quatrains to fill-in gaps in his 1568 compendium edition, as famous as it may have become.
Having said that, if this ‘citadin’ were a ‘citadelle’ and there ‘au millieu’ were a temple to Juno, queen of the gods, then this could be ancient history from Veii, the wealthiest city of the Etruscan League in Italy that vied with its close neighbour Rome. The last of their 14 wars featured an incredible piece of lake-drainage and underground tunnelling, during the besieging of thiscitadelle by the Romans, that improbably enters exactly where the goddess was protecting a huge amount of Veii war booty. This had been collected meticulously under Viientian soldier’s camp-oaths of honesty, much like how the Roman’s did it, and still awaited distribution. The king had just sacrificed a victim in the temple when the Romans suddenly appeared. The fear of the statue of Juno shown by the Romans and the extraordinary lengths to which they went in importuning ‘her’ to leave Veii together with the treasure ‘she’ was guarding was quite remarkable.
A source of myths close to home was the Basque mountain region. Nostredame seemed to like monster tales and the Tartalo or Alarabi was a one-eyed strongman giant who cannibalized children. The old god Sugaar was associated with a serpent. But there are few recorded details of Basque legends to draw on.
If we examine Nostradamus Quatrain VI 56 (1557 Lyon Du Rosne) we will find Line 2, ‘Afraid of the strength of the Hesperiques’, i.e. the people of Hesperides. Where is this unmarked place? Opposite the Land of the Rising Sun in the Far East. it is the last land we would meet should we follow the Sun to where it sets on Oceanus, the imaginary sea circling the vast European-African-Asian continent; a logical conjuration of the Flat Earth paradigm.
VIII 30 TREASURE AS YET UNFOUND
1568 Lyon Benoist Rigaud
Dedans Tholoze non loing de Beluezer
Faisant vn puys loing, palais d’espectacle
Tresor trouué vn chacun ira vexer,
Et en deux locz tout & pres del vasacle.
What is a spectacular palace? In Nostredame’s time it was a grand country house or some impressively large urban construction. The equivalent today might be anything from an opera house to an airport terminal.
What is ‘del vascale?
Fr. ‘de l’eau sale’ = dirty water OR ‘de l’eau sac’ = water container
Sp. ‘del valle’ = the valley
OF, ‘de la vase’ = basic structure of a bed/dry-stored boats
The vesicles (‘vésicule’) are the many cavities pitting volcanic rock, the pumice of cooled magma.
The most common Nostradamus researcher’s translation of vasacle is Basacle or basilica. the ancient basilicas were always built on a site associated with Jesus of Nazareth. So not Beleuzer. A more modern basilica, major or minor, is an especially important church granted the title officially. They tend to survive well.
Where is ‘Beleuzer’?
Toulouse lies in the GaronneValley. Nostredame tells us Beleuzer is nearby. Well alright, but the name now seems untraceable. (OF ‘beleu’ is a taxable residence, perhaps Beleuzer was a farming cluster.) A Celtic tribe, the Volcae, first settled toulouse in 3BC. The story goes that Celts defeated Greeks at Thermopylae and the immense treasures at the temple of Delphi were seized. Some say this survived quite intact and was preserved religiously at the temple in Toulouse. Later the Cimbres druids were to consecrate it hidden securely away but then the Romans came to town. The army of Caepio took the town and the temple in B.C. 106 planning to transfer the treasure to Rome but Cimbrian-Teuton armies decimated them as they left. Where did the treasure go then? Beleuzer? (I guess it’s only a matter of time before an enthusiast claims that Beleuzer is Rennes-le-Chateau!)
Another possibility is that this ‘Tholoze’ is in Andalusia. The battle of Las Navas de Tolosa was a turning-point in the Spanish Reconquista. The Christian forces passed over a mountain and caught the Moorish army quite unexpectedly, bloodily halving it’s numbers, and even mananaged to surprise the Caliph in his tent (which was surrounded by a human picket of slaves chained together). Beleuzer may refer to a rock outcrop and Line 2 might refer to a stone quarry, it has been smartly suggested.
In Toulouse/Tolosa, not very far from ‘Beleuzer’
Extensive ground workings for a spectacular palace,
The treasure found will vex everyone,
Almost all the entrapped ‘vasacles’ in two.
There are aspects of this Nostradamus Quatrain VIII 30 that remind me ofNostradamus Quatrain X 81 above and others that evoke the adjacently numbered Nostradamus Quatrain VIII 29 below.
VIII 29 TEMPLE GOLD
1568 Lyon Benoist Rigaud
Au quart pilllier lon sacre à Saturn.
Par tremblant terre & deluge fendu
Soubz l’edifice Saturnin trouuee vrne,
D’or Capion rauy & puis rendu.
At the fourth pillar long dedicated to Saturn.
By alternation of earthquake and deluge
An urn is found beneath this saturnine edifice,
The gold cache is Caepio’s transport of delight but it is then quickly restored again.
The gold of Capion, snatched then restored.
Apparently a Château Capion has existed in the Gassac valley in theLanguedoc since the Sixteenth Century. Capion and Capio are both family names, as is Campion and there is a Spanish Saint Campio. But Caepio is such a good fit. No sooner had the transport to Rome of treasure long hidden at Toulouse begun than the augmented tribe recaptured it at great Roman cost. “Aureum Caepio” became the Roman equivalent of our expression ‘bad karma’. For pagan religious reasons it had been stored intact a very long time indeed. Where it is now nobody knows.
There is also an Astrology explanation for Quatrain VIII 29 (which has been read as a warning of the East Japan earthquake/tsunami/nuclear disaster of 11th March 2011 although I am not sure how) but its link with Quatrain VIII 30 suggests to me the ancient history of Toulouse for preference. We should not put it past Nostredame to reference, on the odd occasion, more than one event by a single quatrain.
The Astrology is better explained at http://livingmoonastrology.com/2011/03/15/can-astrology-make-sense-of-japans-earthquake-tsunami-and-nuclear-menace
and the Fukushima nuclear disaster is discussed fully in a September 2012 post on the blog Nostradamondo.wordpress.com
(Also see Nostradamus Quatrain VIII 30 above)
A MASSACREE WHEN A TORRENT OPENS THE MARBLE TOMB OF THE GREAT ROMAN
Nostradamus Quatrain IX 84
1568 Lyon Benoist Rigaud
Roy exposé parfaira L’hecatombe,
Apres auoir trouué son origine,
Torrent ouurir de marbre & plomb la tombe
D’vn grand Romain d’enseigne Medusine.
The King exposed will complete the slaughter,
After to have found his origin:
Torrent to open the tomb of marble and lead,
Of a great Roman with the Medusine ensign.
There is no subject supplied for Line 2. Who finds out his origin? The second couplet is here solely as a time-marker which means someone could anticipate the slaughter in Line 1 immediately before it happens and take action. A head of state is found-out as to his inappropriate origins and massacres in response?
Medusa heads were popular Roman decorative devices including column bases representative of rotated or inverted Medusas (so they could not hypnotize with their stares). They feature strikingly in the Sunken Palace of Constantinople which was constructed by thousands of slaves as the Basilica’s underground cistern, one of many in the city. Emperor Justinian also constructed a long aqueduct to feed it.
VI 9 A TEMPLE ISSUES PRECIOUS MEDALS
1557 Lyon Du Rosne
Aux sacres temples seront faictz escandales
Compt/es seront par honneurs & louanges:
D’vn qu’on graue d’argent dor les medalles,
La fin sera en tourmens bien estranges,
In the sacred temples scandalous activities,
Accounted noteworthy and commendable:
With one for whom they engrave silver and gold medals,
The end will be in torments ‘good and bizarre’.
Although it is usually a matter of much wealth entering temples rather than coming out, it seems this one is issuing it in small doses. Accumulated bullion, triumphalism and competitiveness are certainly incompatible with Jesus of Nazareth but some ancient temple gods were pretty visceral and the Church has made itself phenomenally rich with Vatican City only now divesting itself of its opaque banking on a grand scale. The inference in Line 4 is that the tortuous death of one particular congratulatee will involve alien actions, cruelties hitherto unknown.
In conclusion, the Tomb of the Great Roman is the subject of plural quatrains – which is not to say that each one could not be a different Roman. We have motifs but no clear theme yet. There are Nostradamus quatrains on my other pages that also mention marble, tombs or treasure with some saying that bones and bounty will be revealed by an unexpected volume of running water – one of the most physically destructive perils on the planet.
(Also see the Nostradamus Quatrain VI 50 THE BONES AND REVOLUTION
and the Articles STORED UP IN THE NORTH WIND: DELUGE DAYS AND EARTHQUAKE HOURS and ADDENDUM TO ‘TREASURE AS YET UNFOUND’ IN ‘MARBLE TOMBS AND TREASURE’)
Nigel Raymond Offord © 2012